Thursday, June 9, 2011

Another Facebook "Interaction," All the Pretty Little Gun-toting Brains

Frank A
‎"Official motto of the White House economic team: Those who can, do. Those who can't, fantasize in the classroom, fail in Washington and then return to the Ivy Tower to train the next generation of egghead economic saboteurs. Life is good for left-wing academics. Everyone else pays dearly." ~ Michelle Malkin


Jessica  A lot of generalizations in that quote...
6 hours ago · Like

John S
The WH is full of ideologs, zealots and academics who ve never had to construct a corportate budget, hire a workforce for profit or hang on to a rope while trying to slide down the slippery slope of federal regualations and unreadable tax laws. Their playing Monopoly with our money, hoping to land on Boardwalk but always ending up on Vermont Ave. It's so obvious this regime is in over their heads that any person w/o the blinders should plainly see it for what it is...
4 hours ago · Like

JessicaIsn't society made up for various types of people, people in the corporate world AND academic world? Do those in the corporate world need to know the many dimensions of academic work? I agree that the White House should include people from various background - idealists and academics, as well as those in the workforce (i.e. those with corporate experience). I think any kind of homogenous body of people in the WH could be problematic. Having a range of individuals working in the WH does help prevent extremism. My partner is an academic, and so I find such generalizations offensive. Since we have experience in academia.
3 hours ago · Like

Frank A
My partner works in the medical field and I have a private sector business as well. Many like us are not offended, but disgusted by the actions of this administration, and the likes of those highlighted in the Malkin article. Over-regulate, over-tax and dictate while the private-sector’s risk exposure increases, and the economy in which you work in is eroded by the clueless currently in positions of power.
This is not to say this applies to all academics. It is evident; however, that liberalism has increasingly permeated colleges and universities as well as much of the public education system which is funded by the taxpayer. This symbiosis has created an environment where the incentive may be to indoctrinate. Their most favorable end product is not fair and balanced, but instead a taxpayer funded liberal voter; and shame on any taxpayer/tuition payer, who happens to write the check, for questioning it.
2 hours ago · Like

John S
Academia, in and of itself, is necessary. The issue is the style of academia that is prevalent in America...that of the left-winged slant. There is very little right winged YING to the leftists YANG being taught in todays schools. How is it that kids arent taught, to the point of redundancy, the Constitution, Bill or Rights, Declaration of Independence or the Magna Carta?? Children should know the 1st and 2nd amendment backwards and forwards. Free speech and by Right to Bear Arms weren't given that 1st 2 amendments from dumb luck!! All future amendments would have little meaning w/o those 2 PERFECT AMENDMENTS! There would be NO 1st amendment today if it werent for the 2nd. But Lefties regard both amendments as antiquated, and they're generally scared to death of guns. so they want them gone, and their teachings speak of this desire. Also, academia (in general) promotes Elitism. Now you may say that it's not true in your house but the whole "I'm from Harvard so I know more than you do" slant is WRONG. A Harvard or a SUNY professor of physics certainly understands numbers and ratios, but the guy who runs the Sunoco station down the road is the quality choice to run his shop. The professor may not know a crescent wrench from a dipstick. But that academic most certainly will have a mood of Elitism when he pulls up in the BMW to get the inflation of his tires checked by the employee staffed by the station owner. To Malkin's point that bothers you, Eggheads philosophy's at the chalkboard dont necessary convert to real life, and they're outraged and believe the "dummies" just dont get it. That's where the failure of the ideologues and academics lies...the pristine Laboratory of the classroom or of the mind means little when people cannot make payroll, are restricted from growth due to "sharing the wealth" and "redistribution". or have to sell their trucking business because of the high cost of deisel, the incredulous road taxes or the unrealistic laws making drivers not be behind the wheel for 10 hours a day to get the load delivered across country. Their concept on the calculator fails the minute their beloved, all-knowing theory leaves the campus. THIS IS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION...I DIDNT VOTE FOR THESE ELITIST CHILDREN!
2 hours ago · Like

John S
Jessica, I just heard that Goshen College in OH is not going to play the National Anthem anymore because its words "promote violence"...Are you F$#%&^G kidding me???? This is why there is a Tea Party, we are here to DEFEND this great Republic from the Liberal Elitists who are trying to slowly take away our history, heritage and patriotism. This is dispicable, unacceptable and borderline Communistic. How can ANYONE who appreciates this country can be in favor of that? If anyone agrees I ask that they move to Cuba or some other Utopian country. I hope YOU and your partner do not feel that this is proper. If you disagree with this, you should consider voting for candidates that stand behind our history and our Star Spangled Banner. Liberty is not free, not easy to keep alive and not cheaply earned. It can be slowly laken away if THE PEOPLE allow it. OVER MY DEAD BODY.
about an hour ago · Like

Jessica
Well, I may not agree with everything you've mentioned, but I do agree that some academics experience a disconnect between theory and practice. For instance, Sandy and I want to participate in a farm co-op in which each family or single member pays a fee for a share of the crop; however we choose not to be part of it and instead buy our vegetables and fruits from the local grocery store and the farmer's market (and sometimes from Wal-Mart, too). So IDEALLY, we would be willing to spend more to support local agriculture; but in reality it's beyond our means and too expensive to do so -- so I am saying I do agree that many ideals only work for a small elite who can afford to uphold those ideals. I, personally, don't enjoy singing the U.S. National Anthem, but I would not try to stop anyone else from singing it. If I want to sing my Feminist Anthem, then I, too would like the freedom to do so. What I do not like one bit is the name-calling. Rage and name-calling generally detract from the conservative agenda. For the cause of conservatism or liberalism, I think more people are willing to listen to a calm voice that focuses on content than are willing to listen to a cynical, angry one. If the Tea Party is interested in communicating with academics (many of whom are open-minded, realistic PEOPLE), then calling them names and insulting them is not the way to achieve that goal - and if conservatives truly want to preserve old-fashioned or new-fashioned liberty, then it might be a good idea to start communicating with liberals and academics. It might also be a good idea, one respectful of liberty (as an IDEAL and a reality), to stop asking liberals (or the idea/l of liberals) to leave the country if they do not value to the same degree as you, history, heritage and patriotism. I value some history. But I also recognize that history as we often learn it in grade school is a very narrow and inadequate version of history - one that does not include the voices of marginalized groups (such as Native Americans, who were here before English colonialists arrived). I value the histories of women whose voices and experiences of "history" have long been ignored and oppressed.
26 minutes ago · Like

Jessica
I don't believe in total freedom in the private sector, nor in academia...because I believe the reality is that most people will act out of greedy intentions rather than ethical ones. I believe the government should look out for the safety and well-being of the people, while at the same time, allowing as much private freedom to the people as possible. Indoctrination occurs everywhere - in academia and in the media and in every political party and in families; and its forms are both overt and insipid. Indoctrination is happening everywhere...in every place and sector and in every person. Indoctrination exists in parenting and in academia (yes, even in patriotism or anti-patriotism...). There are benefits and deficits involved in anything political. People typically have a preference for the single political identity or combination of political identities that best suits their needs and lifestyle.
16 minutes ago · Like


John S
I respectfully disagree with much of what you say. As far as the farm co-op thing, you're correct. You make those decisions based on family need and affordability. IT SURE IS NICE TO HAVE THAT CHOICE HERE IN AMERICA ISNT IT??? Dont sing the National Anthem, thats your right. But dont stop me from singing it. Dont like meat? fine, just dont stop me from eating it. Dont like guns? Fine, dont dare to try to take mine away from me, you'll lose. Dont like Christmas? Fine, just let me enjoy it freely w/o interuption. If your partner disagrees with the whole Christmas thing, I suggest she work in acadamia while lovers of the holiday give it its celebratory due. You want Tea Party folks to be civil towards academia & liberals by not calling names? Fair enough, just dont throw the TEABAGGER or RACIST comments our way. If we meet in the middle w/o all that collateral noise, my side will win every arguement. Liberals have had the bully pulpit, the bullhorns, the demonstartions in the streets for 40 years and have gotten pretty comfortable with their monopoly of such things. Now you'll have to compete for those pulpits, and most Liberals cannot stand it. Tough. The era of Victimization needs to be shut down. People are victims of their own accountability, their own agenda, not Caucasion Neanderthal Men. This is 2011, every Native American, woman, minority, and hell, anything NOT a white heterosexual male has the same opportunity as we "knuckle-dragging" non-metro males do...and in many many cases, more of an opportunity. We dont stand in anyones way, as long as you dont use any of your "non-knuckle dragger" identity as a call for being a victim. The Govt's job is simply to set the proper path for individual liberty and opportunity...then stay out of the way and let things fall where they may. " Promote the general welfare", not provide welfare. "Life liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness", no guarentees. As the chips fall, people will end up richer than others, poorer than others, faster than others, dumber than others, fatter than others, prettier than others, smarter than others, unluckier than others, bigger boobs than others, balder than others, taller than others, happier than others, healthier than others, live longer than others, have better eyesight than others, drive better than others, barter better than others, draw better than others, articulate better than others, type faster than others, spell better than others, sleep better than others, be weaker than others, get diseases others dont get, make mistakes others would never do, and on and on...the Govt has no place in trying to even up all the successes and failures of individuals or communities at large. Rich people end up on Tin Pan Ally and Oprah Winfrey is a multi-billionaire. Its a fair country if the govt allows it to and individuals stop being so pissed off at those that live their lives as non-victims.



Jessica  Are you basing any of your hypothetical assertions about my partner and me (i.e. regarding Christmas) on hearsay or are you just being creative? Are you making a threat when you tell me I'll lose if I try to take your gun away from you, or are you just feeling powerful? It's not victimization to acknowledge the history of marginalized people. Yes, we'll disagree about opportunity. Each of us has had a say. Fair enough.

John
I was being creative with regards to your partner. I have no clue what your stance is on Christmas. My point is that many teachers & schools do not want to see Christmas or Easter in the schools, so we mamby-pamby it and say HOLIDAY. But they sure love the time off. Wasnt directed at your partner, it was at the educational system. That's a threat if you are of the political ilk of banning guns, the 2nd amendment and my Natural Right of self protection. I dont need a piece of paper to protect my God given right to life. So should someone knock on my door telling me that my guns are no longer allowed in the USA, I ll start giving it back with the bullets 1st...sorry. I'm a bald-fat guy...dont feel cornered or marginalized by it even a smidgen. Not going to start some stupid coalition and look to be victimized by all the jokes...they are some of the funniest I've ever heard!!! :-) I think it's OK to be different, I've been my whole life. "VICTIM" is the last thing on my mind when I see a svelte Frank Adolf with all that hair and the cleft chin while I wear my 3X collared shirt and sun-block on my scalp!! My only thought is: Frank, ya want a beer??!! :-) We can agree to disagree...just please dont sound or act like someone is trampling you or your ways, you seem way to smart to SETTLE for that nonsense. Take care Jessica. Oh...one more thing. Just saw this quote from Thomas Sowell (a black academia non-elitist) "Capitalism knows only one color: that color is green; all else is necessarily subservient to it, hence, race, gender and ethnicity cannot be considered within it." -Thomas Sowell..